Kinder, Gentler Skinheads

Inside Keystone United's "family-friendly" Leif Erikson Day celebration.

Published: Oct 14, 2009

Evan M. Lopez

[ soft white power ]

Three-year-old Ariana is ecstatic. Stomping in time to the raucous Celtic tunes floating out across a stone pavilion in Franklin D. Roosevelt Park, she giggles and twirls in front of the musicians with another little girl. When she runs back to her mother, green eyes shining and blond ponytail slightly disheveled, she knows what to say to get attention: "I'm gonna fuck you up!"

The adults around her — tattooed men with shaved heads and combat boots, women in tight jeans with dyed hair and heavy makeup — guffaw. "The things kids say," sighs one man, grinning and rubbing her head.

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Ariana is one of the youngest attendees of this Leif Erikson Day celebration, which has for the past three years been held by the Pennsylvania white supremacist group Keystone United on the Saturday nearest Oct. 9 to honor the Viking explorer. This year, the event began around noon with a 70-person march to the Schuylkill riverside statue of Icelandic explorer Thorfinn Karlsefni and ended around dusk with the live Celtic music in FDR Park.

The eight-year-old Keystone United — also known as the Keystone State Skinheads — wants to "break the stereotypes of skinheads being alcoholic thugs and violent, drug-addicted criminals," according to its Web site. KSS members resist the "hate group" label and resent the government and media outlets profiling them as such.

"We're defined as enemies of the state," says Eric, who adds that he's been physically attacked for his affiliation with the group. "It's an uphill battle."

The group simply believes that the white race is superior to all others, and that white people should not mingle with people of color — and really, what's so wrong about that?

Online, the group seeks to counter the sinister connotations the word "skinhead" conveys. Alongside posts blasting diversity training and media coverage of hate crimes, for instance, a KSS member urges readers to sign a petition against the "horrible procedure" of canine devocalization — cutting dogs' vocal chords to silence them. For the Leif Erikson celebration, the group's leadership instructed members not to wear anything they wouldn't wear to their grandmother's house. They had an image to project: not of angry, knuckle-dragging neo-Nazis, but of peaceful, family-friendly white people who just want to celebrate their heritage.

Cultural Stuff

As far as the other attendees know, I'm just someone who wants to celebrate the Aryan race. I didn't tell them that I was a reporter, or that their words and deeds would end up in print. (Thus, I'm for the most part using only participants' first names.) Going incognito seemed the only way to get the skinheads to talk candidly.

They're very welcoming. Chris and his girlfriend, Kristin, even gave me a ride. Along the way, Chris describes his Northeast Philadelphia neighborhood. "There's a lot of trash in Philly," he says, "of all sorts." He tells me of his efforts to clean up some of that "trash," including a recent fight with members of the Bloods gang: "They was tryin' to jump the guy across the street, and I wasn't gonna let 'em jump a white guy, so ... ."

WHITE LIKE ME: About 70 skinheads and sympathizers gathered in FDR Park Oct. 10 to
Mark Stehle
WHITE LIKE ME: About 70 skinheads and sympathizers gathered in FDR Park Oct. 10 to "promote our cultural stuff," as one described it.

As we speed toward the event, Chris delves into why it's so important: Reminders of white heritage are too rare in this day and age. "They're trying to take the old myths, like the Grimms' fairy-tale books, that we've grown up on for generations, away from our kids. So we want to, you know, promote our cultural stuff. That's what it's about — our generations," he explains.

A billboard promoting Breast Cancer Awareness Month catches his eye, and he breaks off. "Stupid sign," he scoffs. "I'm aware of breasts every day! I don't need a whole separate month for it. But I'll donate to 'em if it's for charity. Here, make this one bigger. Here, make that one bigger."

Heart of the Evil

As Chris' van pulls up to FDR Park and the three of us climb out, Eric, a young man with a curly ponytail, frozen smile, piercing blue eyes and a soft, unctuous voice, greets us. Chris remarks on the irony of holding the Leif Erikson Day concert in a park named after Roosevelt, "liberal, pro-communist that he was."

"His wife was worse," Eric chips in. "Her dream was to have white kids and black kids hold hands to the point where everyone was tan. Her dream was our annihilation. These are the people that dream that stuff up. I mean, they're the heart of the evil. Other people are just brainwashed."

This doesn't seem like a militaristic event, though it is perhaps the only festival in Philadelphia with promotional fliers advertising "Live Battle Demonstrations" in between "Poetry" and "Children's Crafts." (I saw no such demonstrations.) Folk tunes about Nordic warriors are sung in lieu of blaring hate-core — although a video documentary about the metal band Skrewdriver, Rock 'n Racism, is on sale at the merch table. At the march and concert, DrivenSno and Galvani, a comedy duo who share space on Stormfront Radio with such white supremacist luminaries as David Duke, wander through the black-clad crowd, bantering and greeting fans. A KSS member named Mike leads the crowd in a resounding "Heil Leif!"

To Chris, "celebratin' White People's Day" is an important part of white pride. "You can't fight for something you don't love, and you can't love something you've got no knowledge of," he says.

That Colored Dude

Earlier in the day, the group marched down Boathouse Row in Fairmount Park, bearing the flags of various northern European countries, to give speeches and lay a wreath at Thorfinn Karlsefni's statue. But they had some unwelcome guests. Several "anti-fascist" demonstrators, or "antifas" as they call themselves, stood behind the KSS leaders as they spoke. Most visible, clad in an orange polo and wielding a video camera, was activist (and African-American) Daryle Lamont Jenkins, who has spent the last decade crashing white supremacist events across the country. KSS members describe him as "that colored dude" who identifies white supremacists at rallies and outs them to their employers and the public.

"We'll call people out where they live, where they go to work, where they go to church," Jenkins tells me as the KSS group marches by. Jenkins was particularly excited with his film of pro fighter Doug Sonier, who was slated to fight in Maryland's first professional Mixed Martial Arts Championship on Oct. 24. Now that he has proof of Sonier's affiliation with KSS, Jenkins says, he'll try to get Sonier dropped from the ticket.

"The hell he'll get him off the ticket," Sonier's wife, Cathy, tells me as we leave the statue, where Jenkins, Sonier and a few other men on each side are spewing insults at each other. "I'll make sure he gets to fight," she vows. "That's how I feed my family, that fight."

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(According to the Web site of event promoter Shogun Fights, Sonier is no longer listed on the fight card.) Cathy continues denouncing the antifas as the groups part ways. "We don't stop them from having a Martin Luther King Day, we don't stop them from having a Puerto Rican celebration, why can't they just let us have one day of our own?" she asks. "Just 'cause we want to keep with our own kind? My kids already have to go to an all-mixed school."

She's not the only one who finds Jenkins' presence offensive. "You're the most ignorant and bigoted person here today," a KSS youth with flame-colored hair tells Jenkins.

"Wait a minute," Jenkins replies incredulously. "You're talking about bigotry and you're working with this crowd? I got news for you. I agree — Leif Erikson was a great man. But he would not have anything to do with the likes of you."

"So what?" responds the youth. "It's a good celebration."

Fitting Spokesman

As Chris, Kristin and I prepare to leave around 6 p.m., a Drexel University student comes up to us and asks for a quick interview for the school paper. Chris gives him a few benign words about the cultural and family-oriented nature of the event. We move on toward the parking lot.

Then Chris says, almost contemplatively, "I'll read what he says about us. And if he tries to do something wrong, I'll" — here he pauses for effect, flexing his muscles and grinning at Kristin and me — "talk to him later." It occurs to me that KSS couldn't have found a more fitting spokesman if they tried.

(julia.harte@citypaper.net)

Comments

its good to see some decent reporting that shows these people for what they are: ignorant racists...
by JasonHellion on October 14th 2009 8:00 PM

sends chills up my spine that people like this didn't die out with the nazis
by jersey girl on October 15th 2009 5:03 AM

The Nazis didn't just die out. They were killed off. Apparently we missed some.
by Kaba on October 15th 2009 12:35 PM

leave it to a reporter to get it all wrong....ALWAYS.... lamont is a waste of space he is about as bothersome as a cloudy day. the only people he can rally around him is scater kids and potheads. he and his supporters were not even invited to the largest ara confrence in pittsburgh that weekend. that alone should tell the readers just how important he is to his ara bubbies.
by frankiefourskin on October 15th 2009 4:11 PM

Nazis are the scum of the Earth and should be stepped on like the cockroaches they are. We got most of them in WWII(which my father fought in) and we should finish off the rest of them now.

The Nazis studied the genocide against Native Americans and tried to replicate in in Europe. They nearly suceeded, but made so many enemies they were stopped after less then 20 years in power.

I just wish my Native American ancestors had had global support for their resistance to genocide too!
by Luke on October 15th 2009 5:38 PM

That was about as in depth as a pimple. Here is an idea for you, Infiltrate one of these anti racist groups and learn about all of the drug abuse, assaults ,robbery, and other various crimes they commit. Nice try, but you fail!
by Kurt on October 15th 2009 7:11 PM

here is a picture of the reporter.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/img/rat.jpg
by frankiefourskin on October 15th 2009 11:24 PM

Isn't the point of reporting a story to create an unbiased representation of the facts and not to draw conclusions from preconceived notions of passed media representations regarding skinheads. It's obvious that the author targeted the most stereotypical person she could find at the event. If she had done her homework she could have had a interview with the founder of the Leif Erikson Day gathering and actual member of Keystone United. But instead she decided to skulk about in the background taking notes. Instead of making her presence known as a media outlet. Way to go Julia Harte on your third editorial. I'm sure your peers will be proud of the bang up job you've done here which was nothing short of typical.
by anonymous on October 15th 2009 11:35 PM

For more information about the organization featured in this article, check out their Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_State_Skinheads

It sources how members have been arrested for numerous violent activities - including ethnic intimidation, terrorist threats, assault, four stabbings, and the murder of two homeless individuals.
by Setting the record straight on October 16th 2009 2:10 AM

My dear Julia:

Are you misrepresenting these people due to pressure from your paper, or do you have an agenda?

I suspect you have an underlying agenda considering your letters to the NY Times, media memberships, and internships abroad. You clearly had no interest in the event at hand or the people there.

You could have spoken to a KU member or made your presence known and perhaps had a much more candid and realistic interview.

You seemed very supportive of the the events and people there, so I guess you were lying then? Or are you lying now?
by franklin on October 16th 2009 9:15 AM

I must be missing something all the other comments are picking up on. All I got from the article is that racists aren't necessarily any more dangerous than members of the Flat Earth Society. The crucial question remains how you act on your beliefs. Ethnic self-segregation is silly, but the Amish have done it for decades and no one's complained. Then again, the Amish are terrific cooks.
by Mitch on October 16th 2009 12:53 PM

Excuse me? I could be wrong but the little girls I saw at the event were very polite and mindful of thier parents.
by Guy on October 16th 2009 1:57 PM

WOW.
If this "woman" (I'm using the term very loosely here) were any kind of real reporter she would have made an effort to talk to an actual member of Keystone United or any of the NORMAL looking people. Had she announced herself she would have gotten plenty of people to talk to her ... but that would have shattered her little stereotype of these people and that would have obliterated her little piece.
She obviously only targeted the most scumbag looking people in the crowd so she could get the type of story she set out to get from the start.
Not only does she fail at journalism... she fails at life as well. Then again, if she were a good journalist she'd be writing for a real paper. What a shame.
by saddened by this garbage on October 16th 2009 2:04 PM

What a hack job you did on that story.
by Me on October 16th 2009 5:05 PM

What a hack job you did on that story.
by Me on October 16th 2009 5:07 PM

It was not only skinheads at that event. Why are white people not allowed to be proud of their heritage, when other ethnic groups are allowed to be? Why won't anyone on the left answer that?
by AmericanPatriot on October 16th 2009 6:00 PM

I am completely baffled ny this article. Everything this women wrote about had little to nothing at all to do with KU. And for my (2) two year old daughter to be slandered and taken out of character angers me. The comment "I'm going to F*** you up" came from a grown womens mouth not my daughter. Her father and I raise her to be a respectful young lady. She is about the only kid her age that says please and thank you, and asks before she does things. KU people are great kind people and deserve a proper interview if thats what you really need.
by **ARIANNA'S MOTHER on October 16th 2009 6:01 PM

Arianna's Mother, I was also there with my daughter. I did not see or hear ANY child act or speak improperly.

It's one thing to want to do a story, quite another to lie about it to make a more interesting article. I was a journalism major in college, and I learned the proper way to conduct myself when writing stories. What a shame Harte did not.
by AmericanPatriot on October 16th 2009 6:12 PM

It's obvious that Julia Harte went out of her way to avoid speaking directly to members of Keystone United and instead opted for people that are not members and do not represent our organization. My response to her article can be found at www.keystoneunited.com for those of you interested in hearing both sides of the story and reaching your own conclusions.

Your not in Berkley anymore
by Keith Carney on October 16th 2009 6:14 PM

One thing I want to mention, as someone else who was there: when we gathered in the gazebo before the march, there was a homeless black man, asleep on one of the benches.

He was surrounded by about 100 skinheads and others, and no one bothered him.

If skinheads were such "violent" people, as they are commonly portrayed, wouldn't they have done something to him? There were no police around.

But they left him entirely alone. He was asleep and I doubt he even knew they were there.
by Anonymous on October 16th 2009 6:54 PM

What's wrong with KU? They want their people live and thrive just like any black community or hispanic community. Its natural to want to be around your own people.

Give KU a chance. They just want a decent future for their children.
by Phil on October 16th 2009 7:40 PM

Hey, Arianna's Mother, where was Arianna's FATHER, huh? You want a journalist to tell THAT story? Want someone to talk about how he should be sitting in prison for five years on an assault conviction, but got a pass from a judge and is serving 2 years house arrest instead?
by Kaba on October 16th 2009 7:43 PM

Kaba the troll....sighh
by Anonymous on October 16th 2009 7:50 PM

It's interesting what you find when you Google Ms. Harte...hardly unbiased!

http://thedp.com/node/56525 just for starters
by Anony Mouse on October 16th 2009 7:53 PM

I guessed from the title that this article might be about how people who dont know any better think skinheads are racist. But instead its an article by someone who doesnt know any better trying to drag some drama out of a group of bonehead white supremacists and doesnt seem to have anything to do with skinheads at all. And it seems on this particular day, the white supremacists really werent up to anything worthy of the word count. Racism is all its formed should be condemned but this story portrays these people to be as harmless and as intelligent as the puppy in the picture. If theres a deeper story here it sure isnt in this article and if theres not, theres not a shortage of racists in this city that could us some investigation, from the police to philly.com commenters.
by ks on October 16th 2009 7:53 PM

KS (and the other leftists here): Why do you think "racists" even need to be "investigated"? Do we not have freedom of thought and speech in this country...still?

As long as someone does not act upon their beliefs in a violent way, where is the problem?

Do we really want to wind up like Europe, where they censor every thought they dislike, resulting in many skinheads there becoming VERY violent, unlike here, where only a few have done so?

Are you leftists TRYING to provoke a violent racewar by your actions and wishes? It certainly sounds like it to me.
by Anonymous on October 16th 2009 10:00 PM

Many people who went dont give a dam about Hitler; stop reporting what you see in movies and tv show and lableing every one as a nazi.

Racialism and nationalism does not equal a nazi.


by I went but Im not a nazi on October 16th 2009 10:28 PM

It was a good article and as a "mixed race " child I've known lots of skinheads and even dated a few! It's not all that serious believe me! Everyone wants a day for themselves is it really all that bad? And "outing" people isn't cool! If they aren't breaking the law what's the point?
by Crystal on October 17th 2009 2:05 AM

"Tattooed men with shaved heads and combat boots" "women in tight jeans with dyed hair and heavy makeup" "the black-clad crowd" Real scary stuff there. It sounds like you’re describing the scene of any given concert or bar since what, the 1970’s? Get real, this article reads like some paranoid, misleading, Christian fundamentalist garbage trying to convince us the sky will fall if our kids keep listening to KISS records. There were so many different types of people at this event and yet Julia Harte still chose to focus on the stereotypes that she has obviously based her judgments on, hence the cartoon of a skinhead holding a dog. We have always believed strongly in animal rights and almost all of us are pet owners, but I guess that was supposed to be emasculating? Sorry you didn’t see anyone stomping around eating beer cans, maybe next time.
by Keith Carney on October 17th 2009 12:25 PM

Keith, can you tell us true that there was not one person there that held neo-Nazi beliefs? No, you can't, because I think your boy Jason MDS was there, and he has a swazi tatoo!

The only thing that makes you harmless is the fact that you don't have what it takes to step to someone, let alone walk down a street by yourself.
by Kaba on October 17th 2009 1:35 PM

Kaba, I know for a fact that there was a woman of partial Jewish heritage at the event who learned of it online while helping her young daughter research Leif Erickson for her school history project.

And since this woman's daughter is half-Scandinavian as well, she thought it would be a good idea to attend the event.

And no, she did not realize it was a skinhead-sponsored event at first, not that it matters, since skinheads are people too, and are entitled to their views if we truly believe in freedom of speech for all.

Sorry for speaking in the third person. :)
by nonameplease on October 17th 2009 4:56 PM

No need to apologize. I have read that woman's posts on another forum, and if she is not one of KSS posing as a Jewish woman, she is no better than the Jews who helped the Nazis in WWII. The only reason why she wouldn't be worse is because KSS is weaker than the Nazis of WWII.

Glad you're for freedom of speech and people being entitled to their beliefs though. You are going to hear a lot more from those who oppose you. Just see to it that you remain all talk.
by Kaba on October 17th 2009 9:39 PM

Yes..freedom of speech and beliefs, as long as they do not hurt anyone. But that works both ways. The privacy and rights of every person in the video the black fellow made that day was violated...especially since not all of them were there for the same reasons, and they did not give consent to be videotaped. In PA that is highly illegal and can leave your anti-skinhead group open for lawsuits.
by nonameplease on October 18th 2009 12:15 AM

She's right!

Although normal photographic activities should not cause problems in public forum areas, extreme or suspicious behavior could expose a photographer to prosecution under disorderly conduct and loitering laws. Disorderly conduct laws prohibit people from engaging in any behavior that causes substantial inconvenience, annoyance or alarm through disruptive behavior. For example, taking a few photographs of someone in a public place will not constitute disorderly conduct even if the person is annoyed. Extreme behavior, such as repeatedly taking close-ups despite someone's objections or failing to obey police orders at a crime scene could constitute disorderly conduct.

From the looks of it, it might be good if you guys who video'ed the skins have good legal counsel....
by Me on October 18th 2009 12:24 AM

You mean this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUSLEbgu8c8
So let me get this straight. When you use your freedoms we are supposed to respect that, but when we use ours you will come up with something to say we don't have them? Nice try, but that was a public place, and if it was "highly illegal" as you say, the police there would have stepped in. It would not have been a problem if it was a news crew, and they don't have any more or any less rights than anyone videotaping. Apparently the folks at Anti-Antifa know this because they have pics of DLJ and others on their website and have since the last event. So let's see how far a lawsuit will get you.
by Kaba on October 18th 2009 12:25 AM

From the sound of it, the videotaping being done was for the purposes of harassment. I'm sure some people asked you not to videotape them, based on some of the reactions in that video you posted.
Videotaping for the purpose of harassment or intimidation is very illegal. You need to check these things out before you possibly break the law in the future.
by Me on October 18th 2009 12:48 AM

A totally biased and anti-white article. When are you going to do some critical reporting on the new black panther party, or the mexican groups which threaten to "reconquer" the southwest?

But, I suppose it's just easier for you to disparage white people. After all, thats the PC thing to do, isn't it?
by CB on October 18th 2009 4:19 AM

Well, "Me" if you feel this way, perhaps you should not waste your time with an event next year. Because it is going to happen again, and you will complain later with a warped assessment of the law again, and there will be nothing you will be able to do about it again.
by Kaba on October 18th 2009 8:02 AM

These comments reveal almost as much about KU as Harte's (quite well-written) article.

Based on the above posts, KU members seem alternately unabashedly racist, terribly vain, and extremely creepy.

Ironically, these ends seem at odds with one another. Mentioning Harte's hometown or doing a thorough google search of her past work does nothing to KU's image as a group of oddball racists and neo-nazis - in fact, many of the comments come off as a thinly veiled threats.

I find many of the comments disturbing, and I hope they do nothing to discourage Harte's continued reporting.
by Tom D on October 18th 2009 12:40 PM

Well said, Tom D.

Well done, Julia.
by Daniel S on October 18th 2009 1:25 PM

Daniel S., not everybody posting/reading here is from the skinheads. This article get wide coverage, the only ppl you can say are skinheads are those who say they are.
by Renee on October 18th 2009 1:41 PM

This sort of harassment of those with whom we disagree has got to stop. Otherwise the anti-fascists will come across to people as being no different from the nazis they are attacking.
by Passerby on October 18th 2009 3:36 PM

So Renee, by that we should also say the one people you can say are anti-white, are those that say they are, eh? If you believe in freedom of speech like KU's supporters say they do, stop trying to find ways to shut their critics up. It isn't going to work anyway.
by Kaba on October 18th 2009 3:41 PM

Passerby, yeah yeah, sure sure. Left anti-fascists be the judge of that.
by Kaba on October 18th 2009 4:41 PM

*Let
by Kaba on October 18th 2009 4:42 PM

Kaba,

Let the anti-fascists b e the judge of that? WTF are you talking about and what exactly is an anti-fascist?

Do any of those scared and scrawny kids wearing a bandana over their faces actually know what a fascist is or was?

Or are they just aping what some overly-liberal moron of a professor told them it was during a seminar or 'outreach'.

You guys really put a lot of effort out there trying to portray yourselves as some sort of authority, but you are really a sad bunch of losers and social rejects.

You can have your free speech as well, but don't be surprised when you are challenged for coming of like an idiot.

by franklin on October 19th 2009 2:38 PM

i find it strange that when you call this paper not one supervisor has big enough balls to answer any calls. i have been calling- several time now and everytime i call to speak to a boss i get transfered to different voice mails. not once has that been the same person and not once has anyone of them called me back. they just seem like a bunch of pussy's hiding behind their desks. cant be any worse than these anti's that hide behind their masks and bandanas. whats there to hide? what are you afraid of?
by ku supporter on October 19th 2009 4:33 PM

Apparently, I am not the only one having problems getting ahold of someone in charge. I to have been directed to different people when I call in. I guess they have been feeling the heat over Julia's article.
by Arianna's Mother on October 19th 2009 4:59 PM


I think it's best not to engage Keystone United and other White Nationalists by debating them. We know what they stand for, and there is no room for it.

Race is not real. Racism makes it real. That being said, if a group of people wanted to hold a ceremony talking about Leif Erickson, and European history, I would see it as benign. But Keystone United has a specific agenda, one that would perpetuate a world built on the assumption that people should be judged by their ethnic origins.

These are difficult times, but hope can be found in struggle. Talk to workers, talk to communities, talk to each other, but give no platform to Keystone United.

We also must remember that the struggle is bigger than just protests at bonehead marches. We need to organize towards a world based on equality and justice. Keystone United and other racists are in the way, and need to be dealt with, but there is a lot of work to do.


To all anti racists, I salute you.



by Towardsthefuture on October 19th 2009 5:03 PM

I do not believe that Leif Eriksonn day is a "white" or "celtic" holiday, seeing as how Leif was not Celtic (he was very Norse) and seeing as how he was a Catholic (most white supremist groups are anti-catholic).So if anyone wants celebrate the day, they should do it the right way. (You wouldn't celebrate St. Patricks by serving Matzoh and playing Xmas Carols) If they want to celebrate White people, let them walk down predominatly white neighborhoods and celebrate the fact that the cops didn't follow them around.
by Kevin Kuharich on October 19th 2009 5:42 PM

Not only that, Kevin, but if you look at the video you would see one guy wearing a British flag. The surname Carney is Irish. Anyone want to discuss the relationship between the Vikings and the British and Irish?

And Towardsthefuture, the truth of the matter is the boneheads never wanted this to be a media event. When they started this thing, it was not publicized where it was going to be. Even this time around, they kept this on the DL to an extent, even though there was only but so much of an extent they could keep it. They do this with the concerts they put on, duping venues into hosting their white power events by calling them something else. Holocaust denier David Irving is doing an East Coast speaking tour this fall and that's how he is going to secure venues. In short, they don't want to have to deal with our opposition, and that alone says that they should not be obliged. What is is that they are afraid we will see? Why are they freaking out over the video? The "Chris" guy that the reporter talked about used to be a member of some group called Aryan Unit One. Southern Poverty Law Center has a story on that group, noting that they were trying to pick up where the white power terrorist group the Order left off. Yes, the struggle is bigger than Keystone United. No, they should not have a platform. But don't allow them quarter in any size shape or form. This is a hell of a lot more than just a mere political disagreement.
by Jynx on October 19th 2009 7:08 PM

Well,well,well...I'm here to let most of you know. NOT ALL ARA members abuse drugs, commit assaults, and other various crimes. Not nearly as much as Volksfront, NSM, KU, etc. What about the 2 VF members that just got sent to jail for there crimes? One in FL. and the other in VA. The one in FL. shot someone and the one in VA did vandalism to some synagogues and got caught on video with 2 others. Now tell me what they don't do wrong? Oh how they forget what there "brothers" do when they feel that it's the right thing. Hmmmm...
by Rabbit on October 20th 2009 1:36 AM

LOL...I had to laugh so hard at Sonier's wife because of what she said about Puerto Rican's...."we don't stop them from having a Puerto Rican celebration"...lol... You all seriously can't be that dumb. Do you not realize that we are US citizens. We DON'T need a green card or passport to come to the states. Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US. We are not like other Spanish speaking areas. Most of us know Spanish as a first language and English as are second. How did you all make it through school? OMG...how can anyone be so dumb!
by P.R. Lady on October 20th 2009 2:01 AM

Franklin, I am referring to the fact that we will decide for ourselves what the risks in what we do are, not some clown like you being an apologist for scum like KSS. Remember this: If people have an issue with us, it is because how we choose to approach you. If people have an issue with you it is because of what you promote. Big difference.
by Kaba on October 20th 2009 10:16 AM

Totally Jynx,

I only meant that they are not worth debating. Not in person, not online. But certainly we should organize and resist their efforts. And certainly we should be having discussions with different communities of people around their efforts.

Don't give them their freedom they are not going to give you yours.
by Towardsthefuture on October 20th 2009 3:53 PM

Even though these people are celebrating their White heritage, they are content with celebrating it alongside Nazis? Why won't the Right answer that one?
by AmericanPatriotTheJoke on October 20th 2009 5:11 PM

To KU and Mr. Carney, Just to let you know that not all non-whites (or those you would consider non-white) are against you. I fully support your group's right to be heard, and I would be among the first to rise to your defense. At this point I think a lot of people that know of this incident think it was really crappy of the communists to try to silence your group, so know you have friends.
by to KU and Mr. Carney on October 20th 2009 6:26 PM

P.S. I notice the leftists in posts above are trying to engage in the old "divide and conquer" tactic of trying to stir up ancient Northern European divisions, such as between the English and the Irish. Don't fall for it!
by to KU and Mr. Carney on October 20th 2009 6:28 PM

As much as I’d like to sit here and individually address the things discussed above I simply do not have the time nor the interest in doing so, considering who some of you people are. My responses on here, Philly IMC and elsewhere online are done solely to confront & counter the exaggerations and flat out lies used to justify the activities (and existence) of “Antifa” (an Anarchist/Marxist front group) alongside the media, SPLC/ADL and all other groups or individuals hostile to our efforts. Our group will no longer remain silent while lies and misinformation are circulating as fact.

One thing that I do want to clarify is that over the past few years our group, which originally started out as a social club for younger skinheads, has undergone many serious changes over the past few years. Most of these have been the direct result of an increase in membership of politically minded and activist oriented individuals. We are no longer interested in limiting ourselves to any specific sub-culture or to any scene/movement that defines itself by such. Our members, friends and supporters represent a cross-section of society that can no longer be defined under the original banner of the Keystone State Skinheads. Contrary to what has been portrayed in the media and speculated upon by various groups & individuals, our change in name was done to reflect the change in direction and structure of our group and not to soften up our image or project a “mainstream” facade; there is nothing mainstream about us.

With that being said, I think “Towardsthefuture” does a good job of representing the underlying ideas and motivation behind groups such as Antifa. These groups and individuals have no interest whatsoever in voicing an opposing view point or simply protesting activities or ideas. As clearly stated above, and reaffirmed by their actions in the past, these people do not believe in debating or protesting but only in “resisting our efforts” aka by disrupting our events and or physically attacking us. It should be obvious to those watching or aware of these groups and their activities that their true objective here is censorship and oppression at any cost. It is no secret that "Antifa" operates as a self styled and self appointed type of thought police, attempting to enforce it's will through the use of intimidation and terror tactics, or anything else at their disposal. Something that we are quite prepared to deal with if ever forced to defend ourselves.

As a general rule we do not believe in the use of violence to further our goals and we strongly emphasize community building strategies based on educating and organizing.

*Jynx: You are way off. Our group has an open media policy and last years Leif Erikson Day celebration brought us front page coverage from the Daily News, including a fairly unbiased interview conducted with myself. If the media would have approached us this year we would have gladly spoken with them, although we would not have given them permission to treat our event like some sort of a reality show like Julia Harte did. This years event, just like last years, was far from private or secretive; we advertised it online and seeing as this is the third year in a row it is common knowledge where we conduct this celebration at. Especially amongst your “anti-racist” friends seeing as how they vandalized the statue of Thorfinn Karlsefni with red paint last year and spray painted all over the historic gazebos in Fairmount Park the year before that.

Secondly, who is “freaking out” over this video? What exactly is it “exposing” other than the obvious lack of respect and obnoxious antics of people like Daryle Lamont Jenkins and his Antifa associates? It shows our celebration as it is. And not only does it capture what is actually being spoken by our speakers but it shows the orderly manor in which we went about doing it, despite the harassment of local Anarchist/Marxist “activists”.
by Keith Carney on October 20th 2009 9:11 PM

1 - Carney is not a Scandanavian name. You repeatedly say "our ancestors" in reference to the Vikings, despite most of those in attendance NOT being of that lineage.

2 - Carney, you say that KSS/KU is against violence, yet members and those associated with the organization have shown otherwise with their actions.

3 - You keep harping on "antifa" as if its the only group of people who oppose you. Most people in this city do oppose what you do. My guess is that the violence members of your organization have committed in the past keeps all but the hardest of folks from protesting you and your friends.

4 - How many people have "antifa" killed? How many people have skinheads, the KKK, and other racist individuals and organizations killed?
by Setting the record straight on October 21st 2009 3:54 AM

setting the record straight- not all skinheads are violent or killers just because they consider themselves skinhead you protray them as bad people. what about all the blacks that kill people. thats what you hear about in the news way more than a white man killing. look at all the cops that have been killed in philadelphia not one of their killers were white or skins. wake up what keith is trying to do is change the bad image the PAST gave them out to be. He's saying hes not about fighting and durgs and drinking. he's out there trying to make his voice heard the right way. leif erikson was not about skin heads or keystone united or kss they just so happened to be the people who decided lets celebrate him. they have their view as you have yours. did you ever ask what their views or beliefs were? or why they feel this way? some poeple there are maybe just proud to be white. (that is what i think Kathy ment)
everything white people once had has been taken over by other races and white dont have a day or month for them self. why not be albe to celebrate one day is what she is saying. you know so many things are taken away, like if a white gets into a fight with a black guy white wins its a hate crime but if a white guys gets jumped by a group of blacks do thye get hate crime charges NO!!! why not? if i know anything about races which i know my share blacks are the most racist. but this event actually was not about anything rasist, it was again to celebrate lief.
by just a citizen on October 21st 2009 9:47 AM

That's funny. Keith doesn't have the time or the interest in addressing what is being discussed, but proceeds to write the longest post on this page!

Now did you call the media? No. Did you advertise exactly where the event was going to be, as would other event organizers would have done? No. Is that not a standard practice from Nazis like yourself (and that picture of you sieg heiling back in '02 would put you in that camp, so don't say you're not one)whenever you put on an event? Yes. So stop playing dumb. Oh, wait. You're not playing.

And trying to pretend you're not about violence when you and your people keep getting locked up for it is pretty bad. You might have had your boys take the fall for you last year, but the fact remains that it was KSS members engaging in violence with you right there. And what is this in the comments about another KSS member on house arrest for beating someone else up? Give it up, clown.

@Towardsthe future, I know, I know. I should not even bother discussing logically with this fool. What he said was just too stupid to ignore.
by Jynx on October 21st 2009 6:37 PM

*Setting the Records Straight:
1.) I am well aware of my names origin, which translates from Gaelic as “victorious in battle”. But I do not see how my Irish & German ancestry somehow conflicts with my ability to celebrate the culture and history of Europeans/Americans as a whole. Ignoring the fact that Ireland was repeatedly occupied by Vikings, who established virtually every major city there (Dublin, Limerick, Wexford, Cork etc) therefore making my common lineage with these people quite plausible, I do not need to be of the same national decent to appreciate their accomplishments. These are people that I not only share a common bond with but they are people whose actions have had a profound impact on the continent that all of us call home.

2.) Our group as a whole, in its current and original form, has never advocated or employed the use of violence or intimidation to achieve any of our goals. Every single action undertaken by current and former members of our group, including myself, resulting in legal action were committed against the will of the group and resulted in severe disciplinary action. It is also worth noting that every single arrest over the course of our group’s history, including my own, has been taken completely out of context, with half of them clearly being non group related or racially/politically motivated offenses.

This is something that deserves far more attention than I am giving it here but I am currently in the process of documenting each of these events on an individual basis which will be made available in the near future. Regardless of your political or religious orientation it is a fact that information is commonly obscured and manipulated by the media & law enforcement agencies to distort events and details involving unpopular/unfavorable groups and individuals. This is something that supporters of Leonard Peltier, Mumia Abu Jamal, MOVE and the “Love Park 4” have based their entire campaign around.

3.) I understand there are other groups that disagree with us, I have addressed many of them on my own, but I commonly refer to Antifa because these individuals are the prominent driving force behind virtually all “hostilities” taken against our group. It is one thing to disagree with someone and oppose those ideas but it is a whole different ball game when these people physically attack you, vandalize your home, harass your family and friends or attempt to interfere with your employment and personal life; all things that Antifa openly advocates against anyone they disagree with. To believe otherwise is your opinion but the activities conducted by our group never warrant that sort of behavior.

4.) I have no idea how many people “Antifa” or any other anti-racists have murdered over the years, especially since Antifa has it’s origins in the Soviet Union which is responsible for the deaths of millions. As a matter of fact Antifa as a whole is much stronger in Europe where it has the ability to carry out the type of violent activities that American “anti-fascists” are too weak and few in numbers to employ. A simple youtube search for Antifa will quickly reveal this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eZfPlPpo8s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ZNE6E3jJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSfTRE_P-nc

But we can start with police officer Daniel Faulkner.
by Keith Carney on October 21st 2009 10:28 PM

"Antifa" and other militant anti racist groups are certainly not neutral. I believe that white nationalist groups represent a real and immediate threat to our society.

I'm not going to play into macho bullshit, I'm not pretending I can out streetfight every bonehead that comes along.

But I believe that the average person does not believe in racism or ethnic nationalism, and I believe we can stop Keystone United.
by Towardsthefuture on October 21st 2009 10:34 PM

*Jynx:

You can split hairs all that you want. The fact of the matter is that our celebration is a public event and the location of our meeting point, in which we openly state where we will be holding it, was and still is available on our website.

“This year’s event will begin promptly at 12 noon. We recommend that everyone do their best to get here early, especially with the amount of traffic generated by the Navy Day Regatta boat race taking place in the immediate area that day. We will begin our walk to the Thorfinn Karlsefni statue from the meeting point at exactly 12pm so don’t be late otherwise you will run the risk of being left behind.”

So if you want to get technical we did in fact post the location of our event, which has also been discussed in various reviews of past celebrations and documented in the videos and photos of those events.

I am not going to bother arguing with you over an old photo or labels, especially since you or the people opposing my ideas have rarely if ever questioned me about them. But I will tell you that I do not consider myself a white supremacist nor do I wish to oppress others. You are correct in the sense that we rarely disclose the location of our events to the public though. Contrary to the belief that we have to dupe venues into hosting our events, which we do not, we operate in this method because of the harassment we receive from the media, state, local and federal law enforcement agencies as well as groups such as the ADL & SPLC. Unlike the various radical Marxist/Anarchist/Socialist groups that operate openly with public buildings, storefronts, meetings and even bands whose records can be found at local malls or getting air time on public & college radio stations, (Anti-Flag, RATM, RISE AGAINST, Boy Sets Fire etc) we receive constant and real harassment from the system.

I’ve already explained our position on violence in the above post but the event in which you’re referring to couldn’t have been any farther from a racially/politically motivated crime. In fact it was a fight that occurred outside of a bar between friends that was sparked by alcohol and a disagreement over a girl, nothing else. I know it’s not as exciting as you guys would like it to be but I was found innocent because I had nothing to do with it and not because anybody took the fall for me.

As for the “KSS member” on house arrest, quit taking the things posted on OPP as fact and go straight to the source. That person is not nor has he ever been a member or a prospective member of our group. And if my memory serves me right this assault started out as a dispute between neighbors arguing over loud music being played which turned into a physical altercation, something probably a lot more common in this city than it should be. Either way it has absolutely nothing to do with me or Keystone United. Got anything else?
by Keith Carney on October 21st 2009 11:20 PM

*Towardsthefuture:

We do represent a real and immediate threat to your corrupt and degenerate society, but not to the people that have been misled by it, including minorities or anybody else of non-European decent. Your beloved multicultural paradise has already led to the destruction of our people’s culture and will eventually replace the culture of all people of this country and abroad with the cold grey yoke of globalism and consumerism. Ethnic nationalism is alive and well in all peoples across the globe and should be respected and celebrated as such. All one has to do it take a look at the Irish flags displayed at any St. Patricks Day parade or the endless stream of Purto Rican flags present at Philadelphia’s very own Puerto Rican day parade.

The only one here playing the militant/confront fascists role is you. I personally, nor any members of our group think violence will achieve our goals because our battle is in the hearts and minds of our people. You on the other hand will never achieve yours simply because you are too pathetic, weak and cowardly to confront us without the protection of the police or overwhelming numbers. You are unable to defeat us in debate and your rhetoric won’t hold up to the light of day, which is why your only resort is violence. We however choose to employ facts and logic and if groups such as Antifa choose to “stop Keystone United” thought the use of force we will certainly defend ourselves.

by Keith Carney on October 21st 2009 11:59 PM

Keith

So why did you assault a black guy in Scranton, PA then? How did the big bad media spin that?

Also, care to explain why your organization has a section of the racist forum on Stormfront.org set aside for it?

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=184

A friend showed me a document made available for download on that site called "FM 6-2003 Ethnic Cleansing Operations." This document laid out a detailed plan for killing men, women and children of color in the US, as well as anyone who opposed such ethnic cleansing operations.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=287693

There are people on that Stormfront website who openly talk about killing people. Care to distance yourself from them?

I'm still waiting to hear you give me even a rough estimate of the number of people who have been killed in the twentieth century by racist and ethnocentric bigotry. In fact, you deflected and tried to lay blame the deaths of tens of millions of Soviet citizens on "antifa." Stalin wasn't "antifa" and he openly practiced ethnic cleansing, so your association fails.

As fun as this pissing match is with you, I can rest assured that most people will see through the BS spin you put on your racist, hate-filled ideology.
by Setting the record straight on October 22nd 2009 4:57 AM

Oh, and Keith...I see your three videos (was anyone killed in them, or were they just rioting "antifa" anarchists?) and raise you 11-17 million dead Jews, Gypsies, Slavic civilians, homosexuals....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
by Setting the record straight on October 22nd 2009 5:07 AM

@settingtherecordstraight, he's going to tell you that he can't speak for other people who post on Stormfront. If he is going to throw is boy Joey Phy under the bus by saying he was never KSS even though he was never seen NOT hanging with KSS (and has a Nazi Eagle tattoo across his clavicle, by the way) and even though his daughter is the one quoted at the beginning of the article, It's not going to be a big deal for him to dismiss a post on Stormfront. Interesting thing in that video. You can't say who is KSS and who is not, but you know who Volksfront is and who the Vinlanders are. Why? Because Volksfront and Vinlanders wore their colors. KSS punked out and didn't. Oh, and Keith, Why did your organization raise money for a Chuck Marovskis or something who killed a homeless man in Florida years ago? Now that DID have something to do with KSS, because he rolled with you.

Your turn, chump.
by Kaba on October 22nd 2009 7:25 AM

Joey Phy never claimed to be KSS, ever! So why do you keep saying that. Also, the fight had NOTHING to do with loud music playing. Its funny how it gets mixed up and than people repeat it like its fact when its not!
by blank on October 22nd 2009 9:55 AM

Well, maybe he should stay away from them. There's an old saying about how a man is known by the company he keeps. Given the fact that this is the ONLY company we see him in, that might be pretty apt here.
by Kaba on October 22nd 2009 11:23 AM

Wait a minute kaba, you are speaking out against anonymous people on an internet forum and trying to use them as a evidence of bad character with regards to known posters; yet you openly support and endorse people that publically (behind fake names and masks (until the get arrested)) call for the ruination and physical attack against people they disagree with.

Do you see the hypocrisy in that? I really hope so, because most thinking people can. Couple that with visual reinforcement when they actually see these cowards in action.

It is completely illogical to take the stance of being intolerant of other people's belief in order to defend a platform of tolerance.

It's nuts.

Go your own way, man, and stop worrying about other people. They are not worrying about you or the crap you guys do.

Just nuts and people see that.
by franklin on October 22nd 2009 11:54 AM

I agree with you, franklin...you don't use harassment and illegal methods to take away the freedom of speech of those you disagree with, no matter how violent you think they are.

That's how fascists and communists act, not Americans.
by Renee on October 22nd 2009 5:04 PM

"The group simply believes that the white race is superior to all others, and that white people should not mingle with people of color — and really, what's so wrong about that?"

For the MILLIONTH time:

Being a white nationalist does not mean that you consider your people "superior" to other people, or that you won't mingle with other races. It simply means that you fight for your own people BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUR PEOPLE and no one else will fight for them. It's not about hating blacks or Jews, it's about not taking shit from blacks and Jews! It means not letting the Jewish man define what "racism" is for everyone else. It means not letting the black criminal scare all his neighbors out of leaving their homes.

Oh yeah. And that guy "Mike" who led the "Hail Leif" isn't a KSS member,
by Mike on October 22nd 2009 5:43 PM

*sigh* Franklin, when you come back from your Bizarro World where I apparently said and done all those things, let me know. Because I don't know what the hell you are talking about otherwise. The people I am talking about can't be anonymous if I am using their names, and not once did I say anyone should be physically attacked, nor have I supported those that have. What I HAVE done is point out when KSS members (or people who are apparently not KSS but hang around them all the time) have engaged in violence and other criminal acts. You are just trying to find some way to excuse that. That's why you are still posting here. You ARE worried about what we do. Because you still haven't taken the hint that your beliefs are not acceptable in this society. No amount of posturing here is changing that.

And you're right Renee, and the thing that Americans do best is fight fascists and communists. I sure hope your not on the wrong side of that fight. That would be the KSS side in this case.
by Kaba on October 22nd 2009 11:19 PM

Oh, two other things:

One, I love how many people have now denigrated to having to point out who ISN'T KSS, but few posts on who IS!

Two, we have one post speculating on how we will "come across to people", another nimrod trying to suggest what "a lot of people" might think of those who opposed KSS, and now we have Franklin trying to tell us what people see. Maybe you all should stop telling us what everyone else thinks, especially since you didn't ask everyone else. The fact that you STILL can never have your events without the majority of the populace thinking its crap (oh, didn't you know? Freedom of speech does not mean they like what you have to say!)

And Mike, I suppose you can say that the opposition to your crap is Blacks Jews, and damn near everyone else not taking any shit from you. I am sure you won't have a problem with that, hmmmmm?

So much for all of this being a celebration of one's heritage, eh?
by Kaba on October 22nd 2009 11:35 PM

The only vocal opposition to the event was a group of snot-nosed college kids. They were organized by a black (DLJ) who is allegedly funded by a Jewish organization (the Gutenberg Institute).

The event was intended as a heritage celebration. There's only so much that can be done to stop people who insist on perceiving it as something else.
by Mike on October 23rd 2009 6:00 AM

Ok kaba....ok....
Quote: "The Nazis didn't just die out. They were killed off. Apparently we missed some."

We implies you and the lead paint-chip brigade. Nazis implies KU and their supporters. The brain dead were wearing mask, they are the anonymous that your support I am referring to. Pretty simple.

Quote: "Remember this: If people have an issue with us, it is because how we choose to approach you. If people have an issue with you it is because of what you promote. Big difference."

If you apporached people in a sensible and non-threatening manner, there would be no problems would there? But you plainly imply otherwise. Your actions are quesionable and need to be addressed.

And I make no apologies for KU, they are respectable men and can handle anything on their own without me.

The bottom line here is the fact that you just continue to spew and spew garbage. You are trying to justify threats and harassment in the name of challenging something you disagree with.

I have seen the crap put out by the OPP and DLJ and I have seen the crap on other anti-racist sites. It is a vile and disgusting misrepresentation of reality. There are outright fabrications and misinterepretations. There are veiled and overt threats of violence.

You guy are the real problem.

If these people are a hated and insignificant as you claim, why not leave them alone to disappear into obscurity while putting your effort into something useful?

But you can't can you? They are not as despised by Americans as you want them to be. And since you neither have intellect or truth on your side, you cannot peacefully challenge them, you have to resort to violence and idiotic behavior. (And you do...I have seen the pics that so-called antiracists post of them attacking people unprovoked, a little effort into a search will reveal that)

So you have o go after them. You have no other purpose in life and this gives you the much needed attention you desire.

Again...it's nuts....and people see it.





by franklin on October 23rd 2009 9:02 AM

Boneheads, even polite ones, are still stinkers.
by James on October 23rd 2009 3:50 PM

*Setting the record straight:
“So why did you assault a black guy in Scranton, PA then? How did the big bad media spin that?”

Like I said, I am working on addressing & documenting all of these events in detail and they will be made available to the public in the near future. This specific case was taken out of context because no one was ever assaulted, nor was anything ever thrown at the individual in question, period. Aside from all of that, the individual in question never appeared in court at any point during any of the proceedings which lasted close to a year.
I fought this case out until the bitter end when the FBI notified me they would be picking up the case and charging me if it were beaten on the state level. On the morning of my trial I pled guilty solely to avoid facing federal hate crime charges and because I was also under the assumption that I would be released with time served.

Also worth noting here is the fact that we were never charged with assault, we were originally charged with Terrorist Threats, which was later switched out to Simple Assault when a deal was struck with the DA because Simple Assault carries less time than Terroristic Threats does in the state of Pennsylvania. You might also be interested in knowing that the man in question here was also arrested a short time later for beating his girlfriend and setting her house on fire, a real upstanding individual. Next.

As for Stormfront, the section you’re referring to is technically set aside for the “Keystone State” and not just us. I’m really not sure what you need explained to you though because we are White Nationalist and regardless of the numerous idiots that post on there we will continue using it to make our specific position known to people beginning to question these viewpoints. I’m definitely not surprised that someone would put up an “Ethnic Cleansing” manual though, like I said, SF is literally overflowing with idiots and I make it a point to let all of them know that. SF is an enormous forum with hundreds of thousands of members and twice as many threads and if you’re going to try and project what some moron writes about onto us than you’re really grasping at straws here.

Go on our website and our forum (www.keystoneunited.com) and read what actually comes out of our own mouths, not the mouths of others who most of you apparently cant or don’t care to differentiate between. As a matter of fact I wrote an article which you can find online entitled “The Mechanisms of Revolution” in which I detail some of my views on violence and the many things that go along with it.

As for Stalin, Antifa does in fact have origins in Soviet Russia (and Germany) as I’ve stated previously. The Soviet Union was vehemently opposed to racism, something that was punishable by death and obviously carried out on a massive scale in not only Russia but in ever single communist nation on earth. It’s no secret that “antifascism” is deeply rooted in Marxist, except to you apparently.

As for the Holocaust, I went to Anne Frank elementary school so I am more than familiar with it, I don’t need to read about it on wikipedia. Attempting to project that onto us like we are somehow responsible for it is even more ridiculous than half of the other things you’ve said on here. I don’t think uprooting people from their homes or killing people is acceptable on any level, one of the many reasons I despise the American funded Terrorist state of Israel. Care to try again?
by Keith Carney on October 23rd 2009 6:10 PM

Keith you have "working on addressing & documenting all of these events in detail" for some years now. What's the holdup? And you going to Anne Frank doesn't mean a damn thing if you still manage to hold neo-Nazi beliefs, and that's the point folks are making. Oh, "keystoneunited.com", eh? The fact that you can get to that same website via www.kss88.com - we know what that 88 means, right? - is enough to make people know exactly what your group is about.

But hey, Franklin says all of this is meaningless. After all, in his aforementioned Bizzarro World, you "are not as despised by Americans" as I want you to be. Interesting how Americans are not as vocal about it as you would want them to be. Wonder why?

Franklin, you gotta have more than just rhetoric on a discussion board, but you don't have much more than that, do you?
by Kaba on October 24th 2009 1:09 AM

Hey Kaba,

What do you think "88" means? Enlighten us.
by Mike on October 24th 2009 1:55 PM

For those who don't know 88 is a common term among neo-Nazis H being the 8th letter of the alphabet, and HH would be the abbreviation of Heil Hitler. KSS has never denied that's what it means...but hmmmmm....I wonder if they will do it now...
by Kaba on October 25th 2009 12:21 PM

I wonder is Sonier wife will speak of her life before "Sonier" was around. May I say it was NOT all that WHITE.
by unknown on October 31st 2009 9:24 PM

Kinder, gentler nazi's. You have got to be kidding me. I am a proud skinhead and allways have been. when you use the term skinhead you had better talk to a s.h.a.r.p. next time. or do some damn homework. Traditional skins do not believe or associate with with this ignorence. this article is just bad for everyone. Why educate when you can keep everyone in the dark. nazi prix are not skinheads, and if you want to learn about skinheads ask a trogan or a s.h.a.r.p.
by Chris bailie on November 9th 2009 12:02 AM

i've seen the kss stab, and nearly kill, people at shows because they were of color or were friends with those of color. i've been spit at and called a "race traitor" because i date people of other ethnic backgrounds. to say these people are kinder and gentler is a joke. they are sad, pathetic people.
by anon on November 18th 2009 6:14 PM


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